I have a question regarding the legality of using a real museum and real artifacts in my Heist book which is almost ready for publication. Initially, it will be self-published via the amazon kindle route.

The book involves a criminal gang who steal well-known artefacts from a UK museum. I have contacted the museums press office and explained the premises, and asked them if they would grant permission, or point me in the direction of someone who can. But unfortunately it appears from their non-response they don't want to play ball.

Having read dozens of very successful fictional novels which involve the theft of real artifacts and antiquities, from both museums and private collections around the world. I'm wondering how the authors get permission, or if indeed they do need permission to base a novel around places and objects that are clearly in the public domain. Maybe it's their publishers who do this, or their agents?

I would be extremely grateful to hear from anyone on the Stack-Exchange who has experience with this kind of issue.

Many thanks in advance. Jon

  • Related.. – Mithical Mar 24 '17 at 10:34
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    That you even have the slightest idea that this might be a problem is not a good endorsement for the current trademark and copyright vs. free speech balance.. – pipe Mar 24 '17 at 12:56
  • Its intriguing how codified heist fiction has become, its like noir + puzzle solving. Though I'm sure it predates Noir. – Mark Rogers Mar 24 '17 at 14:15
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    Is the museum public or private? Are the artifacts publicly owned, or part of a private collection on loan to the museum? Might make a big difference. Does the heist place museum staff in disrepute, by implying that the don't do their jobs? Or is the theif spectacularly clever? – user23046 Mar 24 '17 at 14:24
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    More: Have a look at "Death in Dublin" by Bartholemew Gill (I have read it). The heist involves the Book of Kells. The museum is Trinity College, in Dublin Ireland. Similar enough for you? I wonder what Gill did. If you can find a copy, look inside to see whether he lists any permissions or acknowledgements (I don't have it handy, or I would let you know). – user23046 Mar 24 '17 at 14:36

Thought experiment: If Dan Brown had required the permission of the Vatican to publish The Da Vinci Code, do you imagine it would ever have been granted? Do you think the Pentagon or the White House would ever give permission for most of the novels set there?

Ergo, you don't need it.

If you want your work to be accepted for publication:

  • You can't steal copyrighted work, though you can use it within the bounds of fair use.

  • You can't defame a living person. (Though that is a civil matter, not a criminal one, in most jurisdictions)

  • You can't encourage hatred of certain groups (though others are just fine).

  • You cannot violate the official secrets act or whatever protects official secrets in whatever jurisdiction you live in (or ever intend to visit). (Unless your publisher is Wikileaks.)

But these constraints aside, in any country that still clings to the vestiges of the idea of free speech, you are still free to write about things in the real world if you want to.

Oh, and under no circumstances will an agent or publisher get any permissions you might need for you; that is entirely on you. In fact, unless there is the promise of a mega payday, no publisher or agent is going to touch anything that might attract a lawsuit or criminal investigation in the first place.

So stop worrying and submit your manuscript. If they think there is any kind of problem (supposing it is good enough for them to read more than the first page) they will let you know. And if any permissions are needed, they will tell you exactly what they are and expect you to go get them.

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    And if the publisher decides to pulp your books because some incident made them ask you to change your title you can always count on the librarians - depending on your country. Here's hoping it still clings to the vestiges of the idea of free speech. – Mindwin Mar 24 '17 at 13:39
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    You can't be charged with libel against a living person? – BruceWayne Mar 24 '17 at 18:40
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    @BruceWayne you want to get published, your work cannot libel a living person or the publisher won't touch it. – user16226 Mar 24 '17 at 18:46
  • Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant that legally, you can't libel against a living person. – BruceWayne Mar 24 '17 at 18:49
  • For the hate speech bullet: In the US there's legally no such thing as hate speech. Nevertheless, hate speech may result in substantial and enduring negative publicity for everyone connected to it in any way. Unless you're self-publishing as OP is, it's unlikely to get published in the first place, because the publisher wants to keep selling books. – Kevin Mar 25 '17 at 0:46

Refer to this Article.

It should be perfectly fine to use a real life example, as long as there are no legal issues with regards to it. As long as you're not attempting to damage its reputation - or revealing actual ways of breaking into their museum - it should be perfectly fine to use their name.

However, think about it this way to be on the safe side: Is it completely necessary for their name to be on the book? Or will it really matter? How many of your readers will actually understand the context or know about the museum and this artifact beforehand, or can you create a fictional museum and artifact in your world and effectively tell the same story?

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  • Could suggesting that an important artifact is not being properly protected be considered damaging to the museum and its personnel? – Patricia Shanahan Mar 25 '17 at 9:05
  • Unless you're directly using or showing actual blueprints, or stating for a fact that their security is very bad as the main focus of your piece, there's no real worry. No security system is perfect and they know that. – Kyle Li Mar 25 '17 at 10:21
  • Wow! Just like to say a big thank you to everyone who replied to my question. The responses are exactly what I was looking for. What a great place/forum this is. And apologies for the delay in responding - had ISP and PC issues recently. Kind regards Jon. – Jonathan Burgess Mar 31 '17 at 9:39

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