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Is my story too much like Harry Potter?

  • My story is set in a magical world hidden within our own, and it has many magical version of things we do.
  • It has wands but I have decided to change it and make it that there is a ritual to make your own wand. There are also brooms but I was going to have it so witches and warlocks have to make their own.
  • I am going to make a magical government, a council with branches and departments, that deal with various things.
  • I am going to create a newspaper, with reporters for news in my world.
  • I am going to have secret places for magical teleportation, hidden in things that look normal, fireplace, cupboards, sink, toilet etc.
  • I am going to create a wise old man, to act as the mentor for my story, but pretty much every fantasy series has a wise mentor character. LotR - Gandalf, Narnia - Aslan, HP - Dumbledore, etc.
  • For the first part of the story my main villain is going to be in a weakened state and her followers are working to revive her.
  • I am also going to make magical shops. I am not going to create an alley, but I am going to create shops hidden in secret places.
  • I am going to give witches and warlocks the power to turn into animals, but I am also going to give them other changes as well.
  • I am going to have some spells and potions that do the same as in Harry Potter, but I am not going to copy unique ones like expect patronum. I am going with ones I know are alright to use. I am also going to create my own unique potions and magic that do things not in Harry Potter.
  • I am going to have paper communication, letters, newspapers and posters, because they are more fitting for magical world. I am going to invent of different way of mail transportation.
  • I am going to create food that does magical things.
  • I am also going to create items that do funny things, because I want my story to be very dramatic, with a chunk of humour mixed in.
  • My story is going to be set in the 90's because all the tech stuff we have today doesn't really work for magic.
  • I am going to set it in the UK because all the old fashioned buildings we have here are fitting for magic.
  • I am going to put racism, prejudice and bigotry, about humans, magical creatures, and sorcerers born from humans, because racism is pretty much part of any world.
  • I am going to give them in old fashioned clothes and robes. For example, pin striped and tweed suits, bowler hat and old cardigans and sweaters.
  • I am also going to have one character's family be carers of magical beasts, because I am very adamant about animal welfare and I wanted to show that in my story.

The key differences in my book are:

  • There is no magical school, because that instantly makes it compared to Harry Potter.
  • The magical names I am going to use are witches and warlocks
  • My main villain is a woman, and I am thinking of using the soul jar trope with her, or is that too much like Harry Potter?
  • There is a main trio but their powers and stories are all very different from Harry Potter.
  • There are going to be merpeople but I am going to make them, more human than in Goblet of Fire.
  • My main group are going to be teenagers, not kids, when they start.
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  • You don't need to update this every time you have a new idea. It's not going to change the answer.
    – F1Krazy
    Jun 21, 2023 at 9:48

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It doesn't matter if you get compared to Harry Potter.

There have been many, many stories about a magical school, and there have been since Harry Potter, such as "The Magicians", which was made into an excellent series. More of a college-level of magical school.

You won't be compared to Harry Potter or seen as ripping off Harry Potter unless you have pretty much the same overall plot as HP, or the same plot in any particular book.

Be careful you do not use any of the terminology unique to Harry Potter. Like the "Sorting Hat", or the names of the groups, etc. You need to look if the terms (like souljar) are used in works prior to HP. Don't use unique names in HP, like "Dumbledore" or "Snape". (I am guessing, I did not check those). Google and etymology sites (the origin of words) is your friend here, so is ChatGPT.

JKR doesn't have the copyright on generic magical terms or lore, you only need to avoid using any brand-new things or terms she invented for her books. Including perhaps the names of spells she invented, perhaps.

If a school setting would help you, use it.

Concepts and ideas and even plots are not copyrighted. Only specific realizations of those things are copyrighted. There have been many thousands of murder mysteries, and super-detective series. Nero Wolfe is basically Sherlock Holmes. So was Columbo. There are multiple modernized versions of Sherlock Holmes, and that is possible because the idea of modernizing Sherlock Holmes is not copyrightable. I'm sure there will be more of those.

JKR did not kill the "magic school" genre. And of course everybody that writes one will be compared to the most successful series in that genre, but that does not mean a publisher won't buy your original take on it.

EDIT: A comment about ChatGPT requires a longer answer than a comment. ChatGPT is useful if it can point you to specific instances of things in earlier books. Although it is very true it can make mistakes, and you cannot rely on it for legal advice, it can be used as a search engine to provide you with useful information.

Ask it what stories were like HP before HP came out, it gives you "The Chronicles of Narnia", "A Wrinkle in Time", "The Wizard of Eartthsea", "The Secret of Platform 13", and "Percy Jackson and the Olympians".

Then ask specifically what the Platform 13 story has in common with Harry Potter, and it talks about hidden gateways, a magical parallel world, and young protagonists on a quest. These ideas are not copyrightable.

The same if you ask about "horcrux" (used to store a piece of the soul). Go to an etymology dictionary, and JKR invented the word. Therefore it is copyrighted and you should not use it in your story.

But the concept dates back to ancient mythology; you can invent your own word for a soul container.

The point of ChatGPT is that is can be used conversationally to pursue and nail down a concept, in a way that Google or other search engines cannot. Unfortunately, it is not entirely reliable (but then neither are many of the websites that Google coughs up), and unlike Google, ChatGPT for the public stopped training in 2021, so it knows nothing after it's "knowledge cutoff date". But it can vastly accelerate your searches for information, with the caveat that, like any website, or any answer on StackExchange, the information it gives can be unreliable at times, and should be independently verified.

Or in the case of potential copyright violation, better safe than sorry: If you cannot find any verifiable, specific use of some term prior to Harry Potter, presume you should invent your own term.

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    "so is ChatGPT". – caveat emptor – ChatGPT cannot be trusted regarding truthfulness and accuracy. Remember, LLM are machines who guess what the next word would be. Relying on ChatGPT to fact-check is like relying on your parrot to file your taxes. — It might even get it right but will be completely accidental. Jun 5, 2023 at 15:43
  • And with anything related to copyright and trademarks, it doesn't matter if you are in the right. All it matters is if JRK's lawyers think you are worthy of a lawsuit. Or a C&D letter. Unless you have pockets deep enough to fight back litigation, the smaller guy will always get the short stick in litigation. — Robert E. Howard Conan the Barbarian is in the public domain. But try to write something using the character. Even this comment has alerted the trademark holder's radar (or custom Google search and alert). Jun 5, 2023 at 15:46
  • @MindwinRememberMonica I agree, ChatGPT cannot be trusted, so I edited my answer, at the bottom, to explain the proper use of ChatGPT in such research.
    – Amadeus
    Jun 6, 2023 at 11:06
  • Thanks a lot for your contribution, @Amadeus Jun 6, 2023 at 12:25
  • Case in point about the limitations of relying on ChatGPT for facts: Percy Jackson and the Olympians is not a story that was "like Harry Potter before Harry Potter came out," because The Lightning Thief was published in 2005, after five HP books had already been published. Beyond that glaring mistake, its similarities are minimal: the camp focus is substantially different from boarding schools in atmosphere, and most of the action takes place away from the camp.
    – Obie 2.0
    Jun 7, 2023 at 9:13
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My story is set in a magical world hidden within our own, and it has many magical version of things we do.

So was Sabrina the Teenage Witch (comics debut 1962), Men In Black (comics debut 1990), and Hellboy (Comics 1993). Rowling doesn't have a lock on hidden underground societies.

It has wands but I have decided to change it and make it that there is a ritual to make your own wand. There are also brooms but I was going to have it so witches and warlocks have to make their own.

Like Bedknobs and Broomsticks (Based on Books that debuted in 1943)?

I am going to make a magical government, a council with branches and departments, that cover different things.

Sabrina, Hellboy.

I am going to create a wise old man, to act as the mentor for my story, but pretty much every fantasy series has a wise mentor character. LotR - Gandalf, Narnia - Aslan, HP - Dumbledore, etc.

Last I checked, Aslan wasn't an old Man... This is a standard character archtype for the Hero's journey... It's as old as storytelling and can trace back to cultures and societies that never interacted with each other and had no plausible means to do so.

For the first part of the story my main character is going to be in a weakened state and her followers are working to revive her.

I don't recall this as part of Harry Potter.

I am also going to make magical shops. I am not going to create an alley, but I am going to create shops hidden in secret places.

Again... older than dirt... real life examples would include various speak-easies set up during prohibition (Hidden Bars and Pubs that had front businesses to mask the comings and goings of clients).

I am going to give witches and warlocks the power to turn into animals, but I am also going to give them other changes as well.

Prominently used in fairy tales and children's tales. Witches turning people into toads was all the rage back in the day if the fairy tales are to be believed.

I am going to have some spells and potions that do the same as in Harry Potter, but I am not going to copy unique ones like expect patronum. I am going with ones I know are alright to use. I am also going to create my own unique potions and magic that do things not in Harry Potter.

Again... Harry Potter did not invent magic or potions.

I am going to have paper communication, letters, newspapers and posters, because they are more fitting for magical world. I am going to invent of different way of mail transportation.

The rest of the world relied on paper to communicate for millennia

I am going to create food that does magical things.

Again, nothing new... we'd have to look to fairy tales and myths of old to find the original stories that had this.

I am also going to create items that do funny things, because I want my story to be very dramatic, with a chunk of humour mixed in.

Yeah... that's not a thing Rowling has a lock on.

My story is going to be set in the 90's because all the tech stuff we have today doesn't really work for magic.

This is the second time this week someone said the 1990s were tech scarce. Take it from someone who grew up at this time... we had cellphones... we had the internet... and computers... The "Dot Com Bubble Burst" happened in the early 2000s because we were so obsessed with making websites to sell things so you didn't have to go to the stores! And don't you dare forget the Beeper!

That said, one of the things not discussed about Harry Potter is that if you didn't go read stuff on the website, you couldn't tell it was set in the 90s (The films used 2000s-2010s fashion choices and the books never gave any dates). It's probably part of why it had staying power. Go read animorphs, for a series that didn't age well because it was hella-full of 90s references (they tried to rerelease them in the 2010s by removing very dated 90s pop culture references... and realized there wouldn't be much book left without them.).

That all said, if you want to do a throwback to a long gone decade... I mean... I don't want to think of the 90s in the same light as I thought of the 60s or 70s while growing up in the 90s... but time stops for no man, and I've yet to see a good "set in the 90s" series... mostly because the 80s was way cooler.

I am going to set it in the UK because all the old fashioned buildings we have here are fitting for magic.

Have you been to the UK? Or watched Top Gear? Perhaps you may have been unaware of this historical thing called "World War II" and "The Blitz?" London (as with most of Europe) had to do some extensive rebuilding following that and most buildings are not much older than late 40s to 50s. You can find old buildings in the country side, but that's not a UK exclusive thing.

I am going to give them in old fashioned clothes and robes. For example, pin striped and tweed suits, bowler hat and old cardigans and sweaters.

Why? Your book is about teenagers... why do they have to wear old clothes that make them stick out when you said there's a hidden world (Disney's Sorceres Apprentice... the live action one... actually did have a reason for this... but it was confined to shoes and the two older Wizards were frozen in stasis in their old man clothing... their younger apprentices wore modern day clothing).

I am also going to have one character's family be carers of magical beasts, because I am very adamant about animal welfare and I wanted to show that in my story.

Never happened in Harry Potter... I would suggest maybe a farmer angle.

The key differences in my book are:

There is no magical school, because that instantly makes it compared to Harry Potter.

Harry Potter didn't do this first... just did it famous... that said, more common than not, magical schools aren't a thing in fantasy. Most children in developed countries do not go to boarding schools. The only other "Magic School" I can think of off the top of my head is Hexside (Owlhouse) which was based more on a U.S. public high school than then a boarding school (It's similarities with Hogwarts were more to poke fun at the school. Like how Hexside used to use a "Choosey Hat")

The magical names I am going to use are witches and warlocks

Not a Rowling thing. The term "Warlock" is used in Harry Potter, but it seems like an archaic term for Wizard. In modern literature, "Warlock" is actually a term that is being moved away from, as it means "Oath Breaker", which not only is a negative... but also implies a demonic barter for magic power, which most heroic magic users types move away from... don't want the original Harry Potter is Satanic crowd messing with you.

My main villain is a woman, and I am thinking of using the soul jar trope with her, or is that too much like Harry Potter?

By "Soul Jar" do you mean remove your soul from your body so you can't die? Thats... close... It's not something Rowling invented. It's been found in myths and fairy tales... but it might be too close for comfort and best to look for other means. If this means something else (the term is used in DND as a type of spell with some unusual mechanics... but nothing like Horcruxes in Harry Potter).

There is a main trio but their powers and stories are all very different from Harry Potter.

The "Trio of heroes" is not unknown and quite common. It's used a lot because the characters can become an Id, Ego, Superego personality dynamic (Logical Thinker, Decisive Thinker, Emotional Thinker OR Spock, Kirk, Bones). It also works because a group of 3 is the smallest amount of people that can have a disagreement where one of the members is in the minority of opinion. Almost every high school sitcom and drama has the "hero" and his/her two friends (almost always one friend is the opposite gender of the hero) and none of the trio are romantically interested in one another (that doesn't mean they can't date... or be attracted... they just rarely make a lasting relationship beyond BFFs and they are cool with it. This also allows a secondary trio to come in through their romantic partners. See Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Almost everyone outside of Giles came into "The Scoobies" because they were dating Buffy, Willow, or Xander.

There are going to be merpeople but I am going to make them, more human than in Goblet of Fire.

Mermaids predate even Hans Christian Anderson's most famous work, "The Little Mermaid."

My main group are going to be teenagers, not kids, when they start.

JK Rowling didn't invent teen or kid heroes (And her characters were teens for 5 of the 7 books... and Harry is the youngest of the trio and only one who was 12 at the end of book 2.).

TL;DR: From your 30,000 feet up look at your story, there's nothing wrong and J.K. Rowling didn't create everything in her book whole cloth. Lots of things are taken from British Myth and Folktales.

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