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I have two female characters, one who is lesbian, and the other bisexual. However, I am male. So not only am I to write the opposite gender, which I actually feel more comfortable doing, for some odd reason, but also a homosexual relationship, which I attempted once. So, how do I write it to prevent flak?

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    ^which you should absolutely not be doing. – user49466 Apr 4 at 0:11
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    @user49466 Yep. Can and should are completely different concepts. – Cyn says make Monica whole Apr 4 at 14:52
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    Kale, I'd really like a better sense of what difficulty you're having in writing. When you try to write these characters and this story -- what is it that isn't working, or that you think is going to go over badly? "I'm writing something but I'm not sure about it" is very broad, and it's hard to answer without narrowing down the precise issue :) – Standback Apr 4 at 15:29
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    If you're including a gay relationship between these two women to appeal to the male audience, my advice, as a bisexual woman, is to not. – weakdna says reinstate monica Apr 4 at 16:00
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You might be overthinking it.

What I mean by that is not to avoid or whitewash the differences implied by gender or sexual orientation. What I mean is that you're writing a romance.

Anything particular to a lesbian couple is more going to be defined by their environment. In a society that has functionally abolished heteropatriarchy, they won't be a 'lesbian couple'...they'll be a couple.

So maybe start with your character's background. Where they grew up, their levels of affluence, education, etc. Then add gender. How does this clay-sketch-of-person change under whatever gender role pressures exist in your setting? Now you have a male or female or nonbinary character, that is specific to a setting and background.

When that's done, consider sexual orientation. How does being gay change this? Is it accepted? Taboo? What is risked by expressing this? What has your character been taught about sexual orientation and how do they feel about it?

Do this for both characters and then put them together. How do they react to each other? Do they even like each other? Your characters aren't just going to automatically fall in love because they're both gay. You might find, when you flesh them out, that they're actually incompatible and you need to go back and rework who they are and how they came to be that way.

This is all to say that there aren't special rules for LGBTQ characters or women. The same considerations you have when you develop them you should really be applying to all your characters.

If you're writing a standard cishet romance, you're not just writing "a romance", you are writing a romance with two cisgendered heterosexual people. That's not some baseline, or a neutral place, it's a specific kind of romantic pairing with it's own pressures, rules and privileges.

TLDR:

Write strong characters grounded in setting and upbringing. Everything else will flow from that.

  • "In a society that has functionally abolished heteropatriarchy, they won't be a 'lesbian couple'...they'll be a couple." This seems like a dubious claim. Not only do you seem to contradict yourself when you add: "If you're writing a standard cishet romance, you're not just writing "a romance", you are writing a romance with two cisgendered heterosexual people. That's not some baseline, or a neutral place..." We also distinguish between apples and oranges, even when there's no stigma attached. – Jedediah Apr 4 at 12:37
  • @jedediah Just because cishet romance doesn't have stigma doesn't mean it has no tendencies or pressures. Such as the pressure towards monogamy. Or marriage. Which would arguably be the same pressures applied to gay romances depending on the social context, or without "the stigma". You might want to reread the statement if you find something confusing. – user49466 Apr 4 at 13:05
  • Your two statements didn't strike me as intellectually consistent, and they still don't. I already reread multiple times before I remarked on the fact - because I'm certainly prone to mistakes on occasion. I don't disagree with your overarching conclusion - "strong characters grounded in setting and upbringing". But the remark about "abolished heteropatriarchy" and that we simply wouldn't distinguish things anymore doesn't seem relevant, or even consistent with your own remarks. – Jedediah Apr 4 at 13:28
  • @jedediah Then I'll phrase it another way: a traditional romance (right now) exists within heteropatriarchy. Therefore it also has specific, identity based pressures. It cannot be a neutral baseline, because neutrality cannot exist in the framework of heteropatriarchy. Relationships post "abolishment of heteropatriarchy" would not be meaningfully classifiable based on identity, because they would face identical social pressures. You wouldn't even be able to fallback on biology as a "lesbian" relationship could just as easily refer to two cis women, a trans/cis couple, etc. – user49466 Apr 4 at 13:49
  • Or to put another way: I'm bisexual. Whether I date a woman or a man, neither of these are "romance" in some baseline neutral state. Each one has social layers placed on top of it. If society changed in such a way that heteropatriarchy were abolished, it would mean that men and women could occupy any social function, sexual orientation, etc, without meaningful distinction, social cost or social benefit. In such a situation both my "gay" romance and my "straight" romance are rooted in personal, rather than social context. They become identical in relation to identity aka "just a romance". – user49466 Apr 4 at 14:00
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Personally, I think the emotions of love and romance are one thing and not gendered, that if we could discard the cultural baggage of what other people and institutions expect of us and think about us, we would find a commonality in what it feels like to be sexually attracted, infatuated, fall in love.

Here are 11 scientific signs of a person falling in love that are not gender specific. That is not a comprehensive list but it is what I could find quickly; I have seen longer ones backed by science.

This list is missing contact craving, the desire to be physically close and touching the person you love, which is why we see people in love sitting beside each other when across from each other would be much more convenient; and holding hands and walking with arms around each other despite this being less efficient than walking beside each other without being physically connected.

It is also missing a distorted sense of symbolism in worrying about or obsessing on the cosmic meaning of small gifts, or comments by your loved one.

Here are some good notes on The differences between lust and love, which will help to inform your descriptions of love. The main difference? Lust is centered on physical aspects and imagining the sex itself. Love can contain lust, but is centered on connection, the desire to meet their friends and family, to share secrets, hopes and dreams, your own and theirs, to share a future life, to join in and share an interest of your partner's and adapt yourself to fit in their world. If they love you, this will be reciprocal. If it is lust, they are not truly interested in what you think, feel and dream, except to the extent it is necessary to make use of your body.

So feel free to google your own symptoms or signs of love, and pick three or four you think can show in actions to illustrate this lesbian romance in terms that do not depend on gender, or on orientation.

The public activities of homosexuals (if not prohibited by culture) are not different from heterosexuals. Holding hands, hugs, kissing (contact cravings), loving eye contact, etc.

Actual sexual conduct doesn't have to be much different either; homosexuals seldom do anything to their partner that could not have been done by a person of opposite gender. The exception might be same-gender genital contact; but I don't see that as a necessity, even if you write explicit sex scenes.

I believe infatuation, sexual attraction, falling in love and being in love can be written without dealing with gender specifically; other than any cultural difficulties the lovers encounter. And whether they do have cultural barriers to overcome is up to you as the author.

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Honestly, it should be easy for a straight guy. First, pick one of the couple who is the more main character... from which side do we experience the relationship (if the two are both secondary characters, which character is introduce first? Use her.) Now, write her experience in the relationship as if you were courting the other member of the relationship. What's your play? How do you ask her out for a first date? Where do you go, what do you do? Is it a good date? Does it go south but there's enough that a second date is agreed too?

Why do you like this girl? What interests do you share? What is she into that you aren't? What about the reverse?

Walk yourself through an imaginary date and relationship. And once that's all done and you reach the story's finish, go back and turn your half back into a woman.

There's a lot of these "How do I write an intersting member of group x when I am not a member of group x?!" on this SE. It's annoying to me, because you're approaching it from the wrong angle. Focusing on a character's sex or gender or sexuality or skin color, or religion, or cultural background is like trying to buy a birthday gift for someone and your biggest concern is will they like the wrapping paper... yeah... it should be appropriate. But you should be more focused on making sure the person will like the gift!

One thing concerning me is that you haven't told me anything about the characters beyond they're in love or what specific issues you're concerned about in depicting their relationship. All I know is they're lesbians, you're writing to bring attention to generic LGBT issues, help me not be controversial. What's controversial about a Lesbian and a Bisexual woman falling in love? That's Willow and Tara from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, a show from the late 90s-early 00s. The biggest controversy of the whole thing was that Joss Whedon dared to kill off Tara because he knew the fans almost universally adored.

Flash forward 20 years where the biggest controversy regarding fictional gay characters was J.K. Rowling not having the courage to show Dumbledore at least acknowledging that he and Grindlewald were in love on screen but insisting that the relationship was steamy hot (yeah, yeah, you better make Dumbledoor the Top. I don't care if Grindlewald is a power bottom, Dumbledore is the Top). Nickelodeon had the guts to show Korra and Asami holding hands like lovers in the final scene of megapopular kids franchise Avatar. And the people who are complaining (and I haven't heard heard many people complaining about Avatar, and certainly the only complaints about the Harry Potter stuff is Rowling won't... hehe... go balls deep in her scripts). The point is you're gonna get people who hate your story because "ew teh gays" and because "ew, not gay enough", and because "ew, het male lesbian porn fantasy", and "ew, it's been done", and "ew, it's not the greatest literary work of all time, but the lesbians were cute".

Screw your courage to the sticking place, write your story your own way and do not compromise on your vision. Writing by focus group is no way to go through life. And sorry if I come off as a litter ornery in my response, but I'm a Bi man, but who I choose to find attractive doesn't define me, nor do I let it.

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